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06/23/08 10:27 AM
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06/23/08 10:29 AM
Brix dix
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final answer
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men being men
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| i've encountered more harassment/sexism/etc. at the office than i ever have when walking past construction workers. construction workers just voice things more openly. i'd rather have people be all up in my face where i can react than have subtle situations where i can't scream back at the person. | |
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kim
June 23, 2008
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NOT okay
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| How horrible! If you're feeling threatened, then it's unacceptable behavior regardless of how common it may be. I would absolutely write a letter/email and reference them to this blog. If they know what's good for PR, they'll respond swiftly and effectively. | |
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June 23, 2008
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This goes beyond a catcall
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If it was just a catcall I'd say that goes with the territory. But this was physical intimidation and cannot be accepted. Even if the discourse was completely uncivil on both sides, the physical indimidation is simply not OK. I don't think Brix is a construction company - they're the marketing leasing agents or something. But they probably would care about negative PR (although probably only if it's in the media). I believe W.G. Clark is the construction manager http://www.brixcondos.com/pdf/dtl_9-16-06.pdf) that's probably who you should contact because they oversee the construction workers. You should definitely CC some other folks like maybe City Councilmembers and someone in the police dept. (maybe even file a complaint). Sally Clark, Chair of Land use: sally.clark@seattle.gov (she has personally responded to my emails in the past). Tim Burgess - public safety -- tim.burgess@seattle.gov BRIX Properties 10635 Santa Monica Boulevard, Suite 170 Los Angeles, CA 90025 Phone: 424.901.1501 Facsimile: 424.832.8707 |
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June 23, 2008
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| http://www.wgclark.com/ | |
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Comment by
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June 23, 2008
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So...was the catcall directed at you?
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| Just curious...'cause a big "Fuck You!" is typically followed by exactly what you described. The problem is - all this construction over the last couple years has led to the import of hick construction workers from the rural 'burbs (Enumclaw, Bonney Lake, etc.). They ride in and out of the city in their big stupid trucks. They could give a shit about our neighborhood, and are usually rude morons. | |
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Comment by
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June 23, 2008
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Yeah...
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| I'd say the fact that he was walking towards you in a threatening way makes it assault, and could be reported to the police. I might be wrong about that... but I hope I'm not. This is bullshit, and shouldn't fly. | |
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June 23, 2008
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Sucks! but par for the course
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I can't add much to what others have said, except this is the same problem I encounter when I ride the buses. Whenever someone's doing something unacceptable, no one confronts them, b/c they risk a crazy reaction like you got. I witnessed a couple teenagers push their way around and shout starting the minute they got on the bus. They also intentionally accosted and antagonized this elderly woman (who spoke little English) and made fun of her loudly after she got on the bus. At one point another woman asked simply them to "be respectful" and they laughed at her (loudly) and continued to be ass-hats the rest of the trip. |
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June 23, 2008
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Email the architect, too
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Mithun is the architect. They should know, too. |
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June 23, 2008
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Best blog ever
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| Thanks for your fantastic advice and support, CHSers! I just fired off a letter/email to WG Clark, Sally Clark, Tim Burgess, and Mithun. I requested a response within 2 weeks for how they will prevent future incidents and said I would report any similar incidents to SPD. | |
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Comment by
final answer
June 23, 2008
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two wrongs don't make a right
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| But a small attempt to balance the playing field. Hopefully the Brix bullies get shut up. | |
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June 23, 2008
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Yikes - That's Hard-Core. Sex Offender?
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From the article: "Meanwhile new laws could see wolf-whistling builders placed on the sex offenders register. The Sexual Offences (Scotland) Bill will create a new offence of "communicating indecently", punishable by up to 10 years in jail." |
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Comment by
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June 23, 2008
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Not assault
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| This is not assault (I'm studying this topic for the bar right now in fact). The police would politely listen to you, hopefully, but there's no case. Whistling or whatever was done to you was rude, but so was responding with a "Fuck You" rather than ignoring them. And can we try not to stereotype all construction workers and people not from the city while we're trying to be all liberal and enlightened on a blog comment? | |
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Comment by
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June 23, 2008
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Tomorrow...
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| Bring your camera next time and start snapping pictures. | |
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June 23, 2008
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That was quick!
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| This afternoon I received a kind and thorough email from a senior VP at WG Clark. He apologized on behalf of the employees and indicated that the entire crew (of 200!) will have a project meeting tomorrow morning at 7:15am to review the relevant company policy. I'm really impressed with their response and hope that this will resolve it. | |
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Comment by
final answer
June 23, 2008
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It's a fine line
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| There really are two truths here. Both Final Answer and the construction worker provoked a confrontation. But I'll cop to a double standard here and say that, no matter the legal technicalities, a man physically stepping up to a woman is wrong every time and -- dare I say -- totally pussy. | |
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Comment by
pffft
June 23, 2008
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Omg....
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I live about two blocks away from the Brix site and learned early on to make a detour whenever I have to walk in that area. But what happened yesterday (and how I found this blog, to begin with), means it might look like a move from the area may be necessary. I've had several very creepy run-ins with the mostly hispanic workers (well beyond 'boys just being boys'), but yesterday topped them all which prompted me to call the police. I was walking northbound on eleventh ave. btwn. Mercer and Aloha when two of the hispanic construction workers were walking behind me about a hundred yards or so. I crossed the street (on the Lowell Elementary payground side) and one of them quickly walked across the street towards me and began following me a couple feet behind me. I turned around and saw thwe most creepy look on his face and just then a woman appeared and I started to walk with her. I called the non-emergency police line and was told that I could have been imagining this and as long as he didn't touch me, there was nothing that could be done. I am calling the construction co. first thing tomorrow and I would love it if you could provide me with any leads also. I am also thinking of making flyers for my neighborhood to let them know to keep an eye out. |
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August 10, 2008
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RE: Omg....
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UGH, that's so creepy. Good for you for calling the police, but it's total BS that they told you this may have all been in your imagination. You should absolutely get in touch with the construction company. I'm not sure who they are at this point, but if you walk by the site (or maybe send a friend?) I'm sure there will be a sign with the construction company's name. Email or call them, and if they are like WG Clark, they will take your complaint seriously and respond promptly. (Especially if you include in your complaint your intent to post flyers...) Let us know how it goes. |
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final answer
August 10, 2008
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Part Two
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Final Answer: is there a way I can contact you directly so I can get these names and numbers? I called WG Clark this morning they could not provide me with the name of the company(s) who took over. A call to the Brix Condominium main number gives me a recording and I can't seem to find "Anderson & Charter" (or are they two separate companies?). Let me re-phrase, the desk cop I spoke to on saturday did not say it was all in my head, but he implied that I was exagerrating. But told me to call them back anytime it happened again. Ok... Since a new contruction company took over in early July, then it's very likely that this could be a new crew of workers who missed the Big Lecture on Sexual Harrassment that they supposedly got that the V.P. of WG Clark had said he carried out. However, I have to suspect, based on my personal knowledge of the contruction trade (and don't ask me how) that there was no "thorough" "talking to" these creeps. The construction industry is a large, vast and sometimes shoddy web of ranking bosses who it can take several to go down the line to send a message to the bottom rung, esp. if it doesn't involve the business at hand. In other words, what probably happened was head honcho of this division told the foreman of his lower division to tell the leadman to tell the...and you get the picture. Given the crude and ruthless nature of these guys, and the fact most can't seem to speak a lick of english, I would question their immigration status and criminal backgrounds. Because who has time to run checks on 200 plus employees when the job is already way behind schedule? Hmm. I think we should do all we can to stop this soon, I can only imagine what's in store when the Old QFC site and the transit tunnel get underway. So I think it's in the best interest of our fellow residents to nip this in the bud and let the Seattle's Construction Companies know that this crap won't be tolerated. The Brix is ugly as it is, I certainly wouldn't want to live there knowing what kind of people put it up. |
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August 11, 2008
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RE: Part Two
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| My email is m.finalanswer@gmail.com. Talk soon! | |
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Comment by
final answer
August 12, 2008
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RE: Part Two
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dita, contact jim donahoe, owner and project manager of brix, llc jdonahoe@schnitzerwest.com (i think - let me know if this backfires, and i'll find the correct one) schnitzer west is the developer, parent to brix llc schnitzer west 600 stewart st, suite 1820 seattle, wa 98101 phone: 206 436 1101 the construction company is now andersen (with an e) construction they are based out of oregon david andersen is the president and the number is 503 283 6712 also, when large construction companies are contacted about sexual harrassment and a potential lawsuit, the workers usually (and by usually, i mean always) have to take a sexual harrassment class, because they are looking at a big liability. and again, with large construction companies, they have to make time to run checks on all employees, no matter how many, because if they don't, it's an even bigger liability. this is given my thorough knowledge of the trade. don't ask me how i know. the other thing to keep in mind is that brix, llc is its own entity meaning that andersen is not the general contractor, they are the construction manager. this means that the majority of workers out there are other subcontractors, not their own employees so their control over the subcontractor workers is limited. that's why it is best to contact jim donahoe. it is his property, he is ultimately responsible for what goes on on the property, so it is in his best interest to address this. |
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August 15, 2008
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Update
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| I just receieved a phone call this morning from Joel Andersen (Project Mananger for the Brix) who said he'd like to meet with me in person to discuss this as soon as tomorrow. He also said the subcontractors working at the site are in fact the same ones as when WG Clark was in charge....fyi. | |
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dita
August 17, 2008
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