posted 12/24/08 01:32 PM | updated 12/24/08 07:06 PM

The Great Divide


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Walking home everyday from my work downtown, I can't help but wish that the freeway was, well, banished entirely from this earth. I know, I know, our city would be an even more dysfunctional mess without it but seriously, crossing Pike/Pine from downtown to Capitol hill is just an unenjoyable experience; the mind numbing noise and sickening smell of gasoline. It just ain't fun.

Don't get me wrong, its not all bad. Of course there is the wonderful view on the way down; I love sitting on the benches in the dog park and seeing the top of the space needle popping out between the buildings. In fact, I think were lucky to have such a transition from the skyscrapers and business of downtown to the older, grittier, culture of the Hill. A definitive neighborhood border is something most Seattle neighborhoods often argue over.

But I just feel that they could do a better job with the Pike/Pine bridge connections to make it more enjoyable for us foot goers. So, since I don't want to just be a whiner, I'll dish up my own (admittedly drug-induced) vision for a better Freeway crossing:

Ok, so the theme here would be a creek crossing in a small town. I think it would be really cool because it would be this very village-like ideal but on a grand scale in the middle of a dense urban center. The juxtaposition would be mind blowing.

We start with the bridges. There ugly and stupid. Since I know for structural reasons (and probably financial) we can't just remove them but what if we dress them up. Throw a bunch of wood paneling on them, maybe even add a little artificial arch and some unnecessary but beautiful cross beams and wooden railings. You could even throw in some stone support looking things to give it that really old feel.

Then, between the two bridges there would be some kind of art piece to represent water. Maybe a bunch of hanging blue rod things or some pretty opaque panels. Basically anything that could partially block the view of the freeway below and muffle the sound a bit. The cool part is that the sound that does make it up could almost be like the rushing of the creek below. Yeah...pretty cool.

It would also be important to get some big weeping willows on either side of the bridges, that hang out over the freeway, and perhaps top it off with a little sculpture of a fisherman sitting on the ledge with his fishing pole hanging out over the edge.

 

Feasible? Maybe not. But I can dream can't I? Anyone else got other ideas for how to make this crossing awesome?

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That's gonna happen soon... sort of
Hopefully someone else knows the details. But I think they're going to make some pedestrian improvements on at least one of the bridges. The city knows that they are important bike/pedestrian corridors, but that they're really annoying to use for now.

Anyone remember the story on this? (By the way, I'd totally vote for your water ideas.)
Comment by Uncle Vinny
December 24, 2008
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RE: That's gonna happen soon... sort of
Yes, they are going to take away the right turn lane on Pine st and put in a real sidewalk (with a full bike lane that continues downtown). Construction on that should start in the spring.
Comment by Wesa
December 25, 2008
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On the other hand...
That wall of noise has saved my life a few times. Ever been in an argument on a long walk up the Hill or heading downtown? I5 has put an end to a few of them for me over the years.

The improvement Vinny asked about I think is this:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transportation/371378_noparkin

Here's a plan to 'cap' I-5 -- someday, could be a park and your fishing bridge there:
http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2008/02/capping-i5-to-conn
Comment by jseattle
December 24, 2008
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On another other hand...
I agree 100% with everything you said, the bridges really need improvement, and I also wish that the freeway would just disappear for many reasons. But then I think about what a different neighborhood Capitol Hill would be if it were more connected to downtown. I-5 has served as a very effective urban growth boundary, keeping Capitol Hill/ First Hill from becoming too downtown-ish, and keeping downtown relatively compact.

As made obvious by that map that you showed, Capitol Hill has a very different feel and development patterns than downtown and SLU. Without the I-5 boundary they would probably be much more similar. You could argue whether that would be a good or a bad thing for the city as a whole, but I think Capitol Hill taken on it's own would have a lot less of its character without the physical separation from downtown.
Comment by cheesecake
December 25, 2008
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Old News Footage
The second half of this old KOMO video shows a look back at I-5 construction. Theres some good Capitol/ First Hill related stuff in there. It's interesting to hear the thoughts of the people who's houses are being demolished to make way for the freeway, they are totally in support of it. Imagine people's reactions today if we tried to take out their single family neighborhoods for a freeway!

http://www.komonews.com/news/36374989.html
Comment by cheesecake
December 25, 2008
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RE: Old News Footage
Not everyone supported it at the time. Here is a PI (now at MOHAI) photo of a protest by First Hill residents and others opposing the highway construction. Their fears at the time: noise, pollution and isolation from other parts of the city.
Comment by linder seattle
December 25, 2008
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RE: Old News Footage
Yeah, Walt Crowley's book about the 60's talks a bit about some opposition to the freeway. There were a number of people who thought the investment should go to public transit...hmmm....

@cheesecake, thats a really good point about I-5 as an urban growth boundary. As much as I hate it, I probably have to credit the freeway for not making us another Belltown, bleh.
Comment by JoshMahar
December 25, 2008
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i like the existing bridges
hm. i like being able to watch the cars pass under the bridges as i cross.

also, old world stone columns? they look lovely on the bridges of europe, but i think they'd look out of place - almost funny - in the middle of a modern city like seattle.
Comment by the other dustin
December 25, 2008
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Walking in LA
LA has some gorgeous bridges that were built at the beginning of the last century. They don't look old world, but they don't look brutally ugly either...I think they take their aesthetic from Art Deco.

Anway, it is possible to build things that are modern, but not fugly. See some examples below.
Spanning the LA River (yes, there is one) at 6th St., courtesy of the Swapmeet Chronices on blogger
From the LA Times
From ViewFromALoft.typepad.com
Comment by Comrade Bunny
December 25, 2008
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